2014 events in Ukraine. Request for thoughts from various eschatological viewpoints

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2014 events in Ukraine. Request for thoughts from various eschatological viewpoints

Postby Wesley » Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:16 pm

So of course in the pre-millenial camp, all of this Ukraine horror is causing some "pre-millenial tension" whilst preterists are carrying on life as usual. I grew up in a stridently pre-millenial household, so of course my family are going to interpret these events as a sign of the Lord's imminent return (well, that and Obama. Everything is Obama's fault except when it's the fault of the people who voted him in.)

For those who are strongly pre-millenian in their eschatology, care to discuss your viewpoint on these most recent events? How about the same for preterists? And everyone in between. Interesting that as of this post there are mere hours from the ultimatum deadline that Russia has put forth concerning the Ukraine's "surrender" before imminent military action. Certainly a tragedy, but is there anything apocalyptic about it?
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Postby little_tigress » Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:51 pm

I'd consider myself premillenialism I s'ppose. But honestly, I'm barely keeping up with it. I'm just bad at following world news.

When I do take my head out of the sand long enough to see what's going on, my first instinct isn't to think, "Jesus is coming!" My concern is what's happening now. How those lives are affected right now. If this turns out to be the beginning of the end, God is in control. If this is yet just another man-made attempt to create travesty and it goes no further than that, God is in control.

I'm not worried in that regard at all. Time will tell where this leads. I'm just not interested in forcing Revelation into every world event.
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Re: 2014 events in Ukraine. Request for thoughts from various eschatological viewpoints

Postby TX_CO_Matt » Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:45 am

As an amillennialist, the thought never even crossed my mind that anyone could connect the two events until I saw this post. Am I concerned? Yes, I am concerned for the lives of those directly involved (Russians and Ukrainians) and the civil state of Eastern Europe. My hope is that it ends peacefully before violence breaks out. If violence does break out I hope that the war is as just as possible and ends swiftly.

I probably won't get worked up about the Second Coming until I hear the trumpets.
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Postby Wesley » Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:48 am

TX_CO_Matt wrote:As an amillennialist, the thought never even crossed my mind that anyone could connect the two events until I saw this post. Am I concerned? Yes, I am concerned for the lives of those directly involved (Russians and Ukrainians) and the civil state of Eastern Europe. My hope is that it ends peacefully before violence breaks out. If violence does break out I hope that the war is as just as possible and ends swiftly.

It has implications, for those in the pre-millenial camp, for Gog and Magog and a supposed coming invasion of Israel by vaguely Russian forces combined with Arab forces. For more information, see John Hagee, John MacArthur, Henry M. Morris III, Tim LaHaye, and about nine million other Evangelical preachers / teachers. :lol:
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Postby TX_CO_Matt » Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:57 am

Wesley wrote:
TX_CO_Matt wrote:As an amillennialist, the thought never even crossed my mind that anyone could connect the two events until I saw this post. Am I concerned? Yes, I am concerned for the lives of those directly involved (Russians and Ukrainians) and the civil state of Eastern Europe. My hope is that it ends peacefully before violence breaks out. If violence does break out I hope that the war is as just as possible and ends swiftly.

It has implications, for those in the pre-millenial camp, for Gog and Magog and a supposed coming invasion of Israel by vaguely Russian forces combined with Arab forces. For more information, see John Hagee, John MacArthur, Henry M. Morris III, Tim LaHaye, and about nine million other Evangelical preachers / teachers. :lol:


I can definitely see it now, I've read premillenial stuff. It's just whenever a thing like this happens my first thoughts generally aren't "I wonder what different theologians say about this" or something of that nature. My first thought when I heard Russia was doing this was "Russia, Ukraine doesn't belong to you, stop throwing this political hissy-fit". That's what it is, Ukraine elected a new, pro-Western European government, and Russia (well, at least Putin) is mad about that it. They're like a jealous, overly-attached ex that's like "you can either be with us or NO ONE."
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